'UPFRONT' recap: Inside DeSantis fundraiser in Milwaukee, potential for third-party ticket

Matt Neumann offers insight into DeSantis support in Wisconsin, 'No Labels' on possible ticket

Matt Neumann offers insight into DeSantis support in Wisconsin, 'No Labels' on possible ticket

BATTLEGROUND WISCONSIN. THE ONLY TICKETS THAT ARE IN THE FUTURE ARE WITH DECENT THIS AT THE TOP FLORIDA GOVERNOR RON DESANTIS IN MILWAUKEE, A PRIVATE FUNDRAISER. THE STAKES INTENSIFYING JUST WEEKS AHEAD OF THE IOWA CAUCUSES. WILL WISCONSIN MATTER? CAN ANYONE TAKE DOWN TRUMP? AND COULD A THIRD PARTY TICKET UPEND IT ALL? I’VE NEVER CONSIDERED MYSELF A WASHINGTON DEMOCRAT. I’VE BEEN A VERY INDEPENDENT PERSON. OUR GUEST THIS SUNDAY, DESANTIS SUPPORTER, WISCONSIN REPUBLICAN MATT NEWMAN AND RYAN CLANCY WITH NO LABELS 48 HOURS AWAY, ORAL ARGUMENTS SCHEDULED IN WISCONSIN’S HIGH PROFILE MAPS CASE. DEMOCRATS HOPING THE NEW LIBERAL MAJORITY ON THE STATE SUPREME COURT DELIVERS NEW VOTING MAPS. IT’S VERY LIKELY THAT WE’LL HAVE 33 SENATORS UP FOR ELECTION. REPUBLICANS FIGHTING BACK. WE’RE LOOKING AHEAD TO TUESDAY’S ARGUMENTS WITH ATTORNEYS JEFF MANDEL AND LUKE BERG AND TIRED OF WINNING IS THAT THERE HAS BEEN VERY LITTLE ATTENTION PAID TO WHAT THE GUY IS ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT NOW. THE NEW BOOK FROM ABC NEWS CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT JONATHAN KARL ON FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP, THE NEW WISCONSIN REVELATIONS JUST MOMENTS AWAY. THIS IS UPFRONT IT WITH GERRON JORDAN AND POLITICAL DIRECTOR MATT SMITH. HI, EVERYONE. THANKS FOR JOINING US. THE RACE FOR PRESIDENT NOW OFFICIALLY LESS THAN A YEAR AWAY. FLORIDA GOVERNOR RON DESANTIS IS BACK IN IOWA TODAY AFTER ATTENDING A PRIVATE FUNDRAISER THURSDAY NIGHT IN MILWAUKEE. IN WISCONSIN, DESANTIS IS TRAILING FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP BY 20 POINTS AMONG REPUBLICAN VOTERS. THAT’S ACCORDING TO THE LATEST MARQUETTE LAW SCHOOL POLL. AND JUST THIS WEEKEND, GROWING QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER THE GROUP NO LABELS WILL REALLY LAUNCH A THIRD PARTY TICKET. AS ORGANIZERS PREPARE TO SEEK BALLOT ACCESS IN WISCONSIN. WE’RE GOING TO GET TO IT ALL FIRST. MATT NEWMAN IS A DESANTIS SUPPORTER, THE SON OF FORMER CONGRESSMAN MARK NEWMAN. IF YOU RECOGNIZE THE NAME HE ATTENDED AND HELPED HOST ONE OF THE FUNDRAISERS LAST NIGHT FOR GOVERNOR DESANTIS. MATT, GOOD TO SEE YOU. WELCOME TO THE SHOW. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR THE INVITE. LET’S FIRST BRING ME INSIDE THURSDAY NIGHT, THIS FUNDRAISER FOR GOVERNOR DESANTIS IN MILWAUKEE, WHO WAS THERE. WHAT DID GOVERNOR DESANTIS SAY? WHAT WAS THE MOOD LIKE? WHAT WAS EXCITING? THERE WERE REALLY GOOD, GOOD TURNOUT. GOVERNOR DESANTIS IS ALWAYS FUN TO SEE, ESPECIALLY IN A SMALL SETTING WHERE HE CAN BE TRULY OPEN AND TRANSPARENT. YOU CAN ASK HIM ANY QUESTION. HE’S SO INCREDIBLY INTELLIGENT AND FOCUSED AND DIRECT. YOU ASK HIM A QUESTION, HE ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. HE DOESN’T DANCE AROUND IT. HE’S GOT A GOOD IDEAS. HE’S EXECUTE IN MANY OF THOSE IDEAS IN FLORIDA. AND THAT’S FRANKLY WHY WE’RE SUPPORTING HIM. WE THINK HE’D BE GREAT AT DOING THAT ON A NATIONAL LEVEL. ARE THERE HIGH PROFILE REPUBLICANS WHO ARE THERE AND WHO ARE BACKING HIM? YES, BIG NAMES. I’M NOT HERE TO DROP NAMES, BUT YES, THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT I’VE SEEN AT OTHER FUNDRAISERS FROM, YOU KNOW, OTHER CAMPAIGNS AROUND THE STATE IN PRIOR CYCLES. IT’S EXCITING. THE MOMENTUM IS BUILDING. AND WE’RE JUST EXCITED, YOU KNOW, EXCITED TO SEE WHERE THE CAMPAIGN GOES. WE KNOW THAT THE CAMPAIGN IS REALLY FOCUSING ON IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE, THOSE CAUCUSES THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. WHAT’S THE IMPORTANCE FOR THE DESANTIS CAMPAIGN ON WISCONSIN AND FUNDRAISING HERE IN WISCONSIN? WELL, I THINK IT’S MIDWEST, IOWA AND WISCONSIN HAVE A LOT OF CORRELATION IN A LOT OF WAYS. HE WAS IN THE AREA ANYWAY. HE HAD OTHER THINGS GOING ON IN THE CHICAGO AREA. SO I THINK JUST THE FEEL THAT HE HAS IN THE MIDWEST, IT’S IMPORTANT FOR IOWA TO MAKE SURE HE HAS A PRESENCE THROUGHOUT THIS AREA. SO I THINK THAT’S PART OF THE REASON HE’S HERE. YOU’RE PUTTING TIME AND RESOURCES INTO HIS CAMPAIGN HERE IN IN WISCONSIN. I’M CURIOUS, AMONG WISCONSIN REPUBLICANS, WHEN YOU’RE TALKING, I MEAN, DO YOU SEE THE POLLS RIGHT. OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON, DOWN 20IN WISCONSIN AND DOWN IN NEVADA OR DOWN IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, IOWA, AMONG WISCONSIN, DESANTIS SUPPORTERS. IS THERE A LINE IN THE SAND IN TERMS OF YOU NEED TO DO THIS BEFORE OUR SUPPORT STARTS TO GO ELSEWHERE? YOU KNOW, I DON’T THINK SO. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE STILL PATIENT LIKE, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE FOLLOWING POLITICS CLOSELY. WE PAY ATTENTION TO POLLS AT THIS TIME. THE MAJORITY OF VOTERS, THEY KIND OF KNOW WHAT’S GOING ON. BUT IT’S AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL. MY OWN PERSONAL BELIEF ON THIS IS JUST NOT NOT JUST WHAT HE’S ACCOMPLISHED IN FLORIDA, BUT HE HAS NO OTHER DISTRACTIONS. HE IS TOTALLY FOCUSED ON WHAT NEEDS TO GET DONE IN THIS COUNTRY AND HE IS GOING TO DO IT. WHY DO YOU THINK, AS WE TALK ABOUT POLLING AND WHERE WE ARE LESS THAN A YEAR OUT FROM THIS ELECTION, WHY DO YOU THINK THAT VOTERS THEY SAY THAT THEY DON’T WANT TRUMP OR BIDEN YET TRUMP HAS THIS MASSIVE LEAD RIGHT NOW IN THE PRIMARY. IT MAKES NO SENSE, DOES IT? YOU’RE ASKING ME? I DON’T KNOW. IT REALLY DOESN’T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME. AND IT’S NOT JUST TRUMP, IT’S ALSO BIDEN. WHY IS IT THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE SUPPORTING THE SITTING PRESIDENT, EVEN THOUGH THE MAJORITY OF THEM DON’T REALLY WANT HIM TO RUN AGAIN? SO IT’S INTERESTING. IT’S ACTUALLY THE SAME ON BOTH PARTIES RIGHT NOW, AND IT’S CREATING A LOT OF CONFUSION INSIDE A PRIMARY THAT DOESN’T EXIST ON THE DEMOCRAT SIDE, AT LEAST DOESN’T EXIST YET. AND INSIDE OF A PRIMARY ON THE RIGHT THAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, IT REALLY DOESN’T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE. IT’S CONFUSING FOR ME, TOO, BECAUSE WHY IS IT THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DON’T SUPPORT EITHER OF THE LEADING CANDIDATES IN THE POLLS AND YET THEY’RE LEADING IN THE POLLS? IF TRUMP IS THE NOMINEE COMING OUT OF THE MILWAUKEE, CAN HE WIN WISCONSIN? THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION. DO YOU THINK HE CAN? I HOPE HE CAN. WOULD YOU VOTE FOR TRUMP? MY CONCERN, FRANKLY, IN THE PRIMARY IS I WANT TO SUPPORT SOMEONE I BELIEVE IS THE MOST ELECTABLE IN THE GENERAL ELECTION, WHICH IS WHY WE CHOSE TO SUPPORT GOVERNOR DESANTIS EARLY ON. I AM CONCERNED IF YOU’RE SITTING PRESIDENT AND YOU DON’T WIN YOUR REELECT, WHAT ARE THE CHANCES YOU CAN TURN AROUND AND WIN AS A CHALLENGER? AND SO THAT’S MY CONCERN WITH WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP. IT’S NOT SO MUCH HIS POLICIES, IT’S IF YOU DIDN’T WIN WHEN YOU WERE PRESIDENT, CAN YOU WIN THIS TIME? AND I THINK THAT’S A HUGE QUESTION MARK THAT A LOT OF PRIMARY VOTERS ARE WRESTLING WITH RIGHT NOW IS IT’S NOT ABOUT THE PRIMARY WINNING. THE PRIMARY IS NOT THE END GAME HERE. WINNING THE GENERAL IS WOULD YOU AND THE OTHER DESANTIS SUPPORTERS IN THAT ROOM THURSDAY NIGHT VOTE FOR TRUMP IF HE’S THE NOMINEE? YES. HANDS DOWN. YES. MATT NEWMAN, REPUBLICAN BACKER OF FLORIDA GOVERNOR RON DESANTIS. MATT, THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. SENATOR JOE MANCHINS RECENT ANNOUNCEMENT THAT HE WON’T SEEK REELECTION IS INCREASING THE SPECULATION THAT THE GROUP NO LABELS IS PREPARING TO LAUNCH A THIRD PARTY PRESIDENTIAL TICKET WITH BIG IMPLICATIONS IN KEY BATTLEGROUND STATES LIKE WISCONSIN. JUST THIS PAST WEEK, A BIPARTISAN GROUP OF FORMER CONGRESSMEN, INCLUDING REPUBLICAN REID RIBBLE AND DEMOCRAT RON KLEIN FROM WISCONSIN, WARNED AGAINST A THIRD PARTY TICKET KAI REED TELLING THE MILWAUKEE JOURNAL SENTINEL, QUOTE, I’M HAVING A HARD TIME SEEING WHAT THEY’RE REALLY TRYING TO PULL OFF HERE. THEY CAN’T BELIEVE THERE’S ANY CHANCE FOR A THIRD PARTY TO ACTUALLY WIN THE PRESIDENCY. RYAN CLANCY IS NO LABELS CHIEF STRATEGIST. HE JOINS US NOW. HEY, RYAN, GOOD TO SEE YOU. THANKS FOR BEING WITH US. THANKS FOR HAVING ME. LET’S START RIGHT THERE. THIS FROM THE FORMER WISCONSIN CONGRESSMAN. NO CHANCE TO WIN THE PRESIDENCY. THIS WILL JUST BOOST TRUMP, THEY SAY. YOUR RESPONSE TO THESE FORMER CONGRESSMAN MEAN, I CAN’T BELIEVE HE CAN SAY THERE’S NO CHANCE WHEN OUR POSITION IS HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THERE’S SUCH AN OPENING? EVERY SINGLE POLL YOU LOOK AT IS TWO THIRDS OF THE PUBLIC OR MORE SAYING THEY DON’T WANT THIS ELECTION, THIS THIS IS CADDYSHACK TWO. THIS IS THE SEQUEL NO ONE WANTS TO SEE. AND FOR SOME REASON, BOTH PARTIES SEEM INTENT ON FORCING IT ON AMERICAN VOTERS. AND UNSURPRISINGLY, THEY’RE LOOKING FOR ALTERNATIVES. NOW, YOU’VE SAID THAT NO LABELS HAS A STRATEGY TO ON GETTING ON ON THE BALLOT HERE IN WISCONSIN. WHAT IS THAT STRATEGY? IT’S BALLOT ACCESS, GETTING SIGNATURES. WE’LL BE DOING THAT SOON IN WISCONSIN. WE’RE ALREADY ON THE BALLOT IN 12 STATES AND WE’LL ULTIMATELY BE GETTING BALLOT ACCESS IN ABOUT 34 STATES BY NEXT SPRING IF WE OFFER OUR BALLOT LINE TO A TICKET, THAT TICKET WOULD GET THE BALLOT ACCESS IN THE LAST 16 STATES. IS APRIL YOUR DECISION POINT IN TERMS OF YOUR CONVENTION ON WHEN NO LABELS WILL DECIDE? SOMETIME AFTER MARCH 15TH. WE’LL DECIDE WHETHER TO PUT UP A TICKET. AND THEN WHO WOULD BE ON IT? IS JOE MANCHIN YOUR GUY IF IT IS THE TICKET? NO, NOBODY HAS AN INSIDE TRACK ON THE NOMINATION RIGHT NOW. SO WE’LL BE PUTTING OUT THE DETAILS ON HOW WE’LL BE CHOOSING SOMETIME IN THE COMING WEEKS. IS THE ONLY SCENARIO WHERE YOU LAUNCH A TICKET IS IF IT’S A TRUMP BIDEN REMATCH. THE SCENARIO IS IF WE SEE A PATH TO VICTORY AND IF WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS TODAY, TRUMP. BIDEN, THERE LOOKS LIKE THERE’S A PATH THERE. IF THE PARTIES MAKE SOME DIFFERENT CHOICES AND THAT CLOSES OFF THE OPENING FOR AN INDEPENDENT TICKET, WE WON’T FORCE IT AND WE WON’T PUT ONE UP. WELL, WHY DO YOU THINK THAT EVEN THE DISCUSSION FROM YOU OF LAUNCHING A THIRD PARTY TICKET HAS BECOME SO CONTROVERSIAL AMONG SOME BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS? UNFORTUNATELY, IT’S BECAUSE I THINK ON SOME LEVEL, BOTH PARTIES DON’T HAVE ANYTHING LEFT BUT FEAR TO SELL. SO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU ARE SELLING PEOPLE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THEY CLEARLY DON’T WANT, WHICH IS WHAT BOTH PARTIES ARE DOING, THEN WHAT YOU BASICALLY DO IS YOU’RE SAYING WE DON’T EVEN REALLY CARE IN THE END IF WE GIVE YOU GOOD CANDIDATES. WE JUST HOPE YOU HATE AND FEAR THE OTHER SIDE ENOUGH TO COME HOME TO US IN THE END. AND WE THINK VOTERS WANT SOMETHING BETTER THAN THAT. WE’RE GOING TO KEEP WATCHING. RYAN CLANCY, CHIEF STRATEGIST OF NO LABELS. RYAN, THANKS SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. UP NEXT, 48 HOURS TO GO. ORAL ARGUMENTS IN THE HIGH PROFILE CASE ASKING THE STATE SUPREME COURT TO OVERTURN THE STATE’S LEGISLATIVE MAPS. THE PREVIEW AND IMPLICATIONS

'UPFRONT' recap: Inside DeSantis fundraiser in Milwaukee, potential for third-party ticket

Matt Neumann offers insight into DeSantis support in Wisconsin, 'No Labels' on possible ticket

Matt Neumann, one of the hosts of Gov. Ron DeSantis' private fundraiser in Milwaukee last Thursday, says the event had "good turnout" including from some prominent Wisconsin Republicans. "I'm not here to drop names, but yes, there were a number of people that I've seen at other fundraisers from other campaigns around the state in prior cycles," Neumann said on WISN's "UPFRONT" which is produced in partnership with WisPolitics.com. "It's exciting. The momentum is building, and we're just excited to see where the campaign goes." The event was hosted at The University Club of Milwaukee. An invite obtained by WisPolitics.com listed Kim and John Schlifske as main hosts with tickets ranging from $1,000 for an individual up to $23,000 for a host couple. "It was exciting, a really good turnout," Neumann said, the son of former U.S. Congressman Mark Neumann. "Gov. DeSantis is always fun to see, especially in a small setting where he can be truly open and transparent. You can ask him any question." DeSantis is trailing Trump by 20 points in Wisconsin in the latest Marquette Law School poll. Neumann said it's "a great question" if Trump could win Wisconsin in 2024 if he's the nominee, but added he and other DeSantis supporters in Wisconsin would still vote for Trump if he's the eventual nominee. "Yes," Neumann said. "Yes." Ryan Clancy, the chief strategist for the group No Labels, which is considering launching a third-party ticket, says they plan to seek ballot access in Wisconsin when organizations can start circulating petitions Jan. 1."It's ballot access, getting signatures," he said. "We'll be doing that soon in Wisconsin. We're already on the ballot in 12 states, and we'll ultimately be getting access in about 34 states by next spring." That's when Clancy said the group will determine whether to launch a third-party presidential ticket."The scenario is if we see a path to victory and when we look at the numbers today, Trump-Biden, there looks like there's a path there," Clancy said. "But if the parties make some different choices, and that closes off the opening for an independent ticket, we won't force it." Oral arguments are scheduled Tuesday before the Wisconsin Supreme Court challenging the state's legislative maps. "The goal certainly isn't ultimate chaos, and I don't think it really does create a lot of chaos," Jeff Mandell said, board president of Law Forward, the organization that filed the lawsuit. The lawsuit asks the current maps be thrown out and all 132 members of the state Legislature in both the Senate and Assembly face reelection next year. "I think the main point is that democracy demands that we have new maps because the maps that we have are not constitutional, and they’re not constitutional for two different reasons," Mandell said. "One is that most of the districts in the Assembly and Senate are not contiguous. That means they’re not all made up of one interrupted chunk of land, and that is in conflict with the words of the constitution.""The second is the way these maps were drawn violates the separation of powers and is completely inappropriate, and therefore we need new maps," Mandell said. The suit was filed just days after Justice Janet Protasiewicz was sworn in, which flipped control of the high court from conservative to liberal. "The issue was not really about who's in control of the court," Mandell said. "The question of whether the maps are contiguous or not is not a partisan question."Meantime Luke Berg, deputy counsel with the Wisconsin Institute for Law & Liberty, which intervened in the case, says the case will have "significant consequences" if the court replaces the legislative maps and will argue Tuesday the maps should remain as is. "I think a lot of the discussion is going to focus on remedy in part because there is a very simple remedy to the contiguity problem and the separation of powers claim, which is to simply absorb the existing islands into their surrounding districts," Berg said. "So there’s something between 200 and 300 islands in the current map, everybody agrees on those numbers roughly. But a third of those islands have zero people in them, another third have less than 10, another third have less than 100 and there’s only a handful that have more than 100 people in them."So if you were to simply take the islands and put them in the districts that surround them, it would eliminate the contiguity problem, and you wouldn’t have any population problems in the existing map."Democrats are hoping new maps are drawn before the 2024 election."We’ll see what the court does," Berg said. I’m not going to make predictions about what the court is going to do in this case."ABC News Chief White House Correspondent Jonathan Karl says he had a difficult time getting Wisconsin Republicans on the record for his new book "Tired of Winning" which focused on former President Donald Trump and his attempts to stay in power after the 2020 election. "I spoke to many. In Wisconsin, there weren't as many who were willing to go on the record even after that, and that should tell you something," Karl said. "It's pretty interesting, even though Republican leaders in Wisconsin knew as well as anybody in the country because it had been such a focus for Trump." Karl details a moment before the 2016 election when then RNC Chairman Reince Priebus was "horrified" after David Duke endorsed Trump."Trump did not want to upset any of David Duke’s followers," Karl said. "As he told Chris Christie, you know they vote to. But eventually, he did. Trump came around, and he renounced the endorsement of David Duke largely because of Christie, at the urging of Reince Priebus told him he absolutely had to.""Fast forward to just last year," Karl said. "Trump announces he’s running for president, and he has dinner at Mar a Lago with Kanye West and Nick Fuentes."Karl said the book explores what a second Trump term would look like. “There's nobody around Trump to do what Christie and Priebus did," Karl said.

MILWAUKEE —

Matt Neumann, one of the hosts of Gov. Ron DeSantis' private fundraiser in Milwaukee last Thursday, says the event had "good turnout" including from some prominent Wisconsin Republicans.

"I'm not here to drop names, but yes, there were a number of people that I've seen at other fundraisers from other campaigns around the state in prior cycles," Neumann said on WISN's "UPFRONT" which is produced in partnership with WisPolitics.com. "It's exciting. The momentum is building, and we're just excited to see where the campaign goes."

The event was hosted at The University Club of Milwaukee. An invite obtained by WisPolitics.com listed Kim and John Schlifske as main hosts with tickets ranging from $1,000 for an individual up to $23,000 for a host couple.

"It was exciting, a really good turnout," Neumann said, the son of former U.S. Congressman Mark Neumann. "Gov. DeSantis is always fun to see, especially in a small setting where he can be truly open and transparent. You can ask him any question."

DeSantis is trailing Trump by 20 points in Wisconsin in the latest Marquette Law School poll.

Neumann said it's "a great question" if Trump could win Wisconsin in 2024 if he's the nominee, but added he and other DeSantis supporters in Wisconsin would still vote for Trump if he's the eventual nominee.

"Yes," Neumann said. "Yes."

Ryan Clancy, the chief strategist for the group No Labels, which is considering launching a third-party ticket, says they plan to seek ballot access in Wisconsin when organizations can start circulating petitions Jan. 1.

"It's ballot access, getting signatures," he said. "We'll be doing that soon in Wisconsin. We're already on the ballot in 12 states, and we'll ultimately be getting access in about 34 states by next spring."

That's when Clancy said the group will determine whether to launch a third-party presidential ticket.

"The scenario is if we see a path to victory and when we look at the numbers today, Trump-Biden, there looks like there's a path there," Clancy said. "But if the parties make some different choices, and that closes off the opening for an independent ticket, we won't force it."

Oral arguments are scheduled Tuesday before the Wisconsin Supreme Court challenging the state's legislative maps.

"The goal certainly isn't ultimate chaos, and I don't think it really does create a lot of chaos," Jeff Mandell said, board president of Law Forward, the organization that filed the lawsuit.

The lawsuit asks the current maps be thrown out and all 132 members of the state Legislature in both the Senate and Assembly face reelection next year.

"I think the main point is that democracy demands that we have new maps because the maps that we have are not constitutional, and they’re not constitutional for two different reasons," Mandell said. "One is that most of the districts in the Assembly and Senate are not contiguous. That means they’re not all made up of one interrupted chunk of land, and that is in conflict with the words of the constitution."

"The second is the way these maps were drawn violates the separation of powers and is completely inappropriate, and therefore we need new maps," Mandell said.

The suit was filed just days after Justice Janet Protasiewicz was sworn in, which flipped control of the high court from conservative to liberal.

"The issue was not really about who's in control of the court," Mandell said. "The question of whether the maps are contiguous or not is not a partisan question."

Meantime Luke Berg, deputy counsel with the Wisconsin Institute for Law & Liberty, which intervened in the case, says the case will have "significant consequences" if the court replaces the legislative maps and will argue Tuesday the maps should remain as is.

"I think a lot of the discussion is going to focus on remedy in part because there is a very simple remedy to the contiguity problem and the separation of powers claim, which is to simply absorb the existing islands into their surrounding districts," Berg said. "So there’s something between 200 and 300 islands in the current map, everybody agrees on those numbers roughly. But a third of those islands have zero people in them, another third have less than 10, another third have less than 100 and there’s only a handful that have more than 100 people in them.

"So if you were to simply take the islands and put them in the districts that surround them, it would eliminate the contiguity problem, and you wouldn’t have any population problems in the existing map."

Democrats are hoping new maps are drawn before the 2024 election.

"We’ll see what the court does," Berg said. I’m not going to make predictions about what the court is going to do in this case."

ABC News Chief White House Correspondent Jonathan Karl says he had a difficult time getting Wisconsin Republicans on the record for his new book "Tired of Winning" which focused on former President Donald Trump and his attempts to stay in power after the 2020 election.

"I spoke to many. In Wisconsin, there weren't as many who were willing to go on the record even after that, and that should tell you something," Karl said. "It's pretty interesting, even though Republican leaders in Wisconsin knew as well as anybody in the country because it had been such a focus for Trump."

Karl details a moment before the 2016 election when then RNC Chairman Reince Priebus was "horrified" after David Duke endorsed Trump.

"Trump did not want to upset any of David Duke’s followers," Karl said. "As he told Chris Christie, you know they vote to. But eventually, he did. Trump came around, and he renounced the endorsement of David Duke largely because of Christie, at the urging of Reince Priebus told him he absolutely had to."

"Fast forward to just last year," Karl said. "Trump announces he’s running for president, and he has dinner at Mar a Lago with Kanye West and Nick Fuentes."

Karl said the book explores what a second Trump term would look like.

“There's nobody around Trump to do what Christie and Priebus did," Karl said.

'UPFRONT' recap: Inside DeSantis fundraiser in Milwaukee, potential for third-party ticket

Matt Neumann offers insight into DeSantis support in Wisconsin, 'No Labels' on possible ticket

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